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Topic: JACK CHAT | SUSPECTS SERIES 2 EPISODE 2 | SUNDAY 5 OCTOBER 2014

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Damiac
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yeah - Charlie had it totally under control - he really didn't need to say a word!


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I don't think he's open, Domino.  But I think he is looking into elder abuse. 



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I can see that fifi, it feels lie he does a lot of tongue biting in this episode... but to me that was all part of the conviction hat he was right about Saul and him trying to exercise patience, waiting for everyone to catch up with him

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Not really sure about the murder, domino - but I do think he hones in on 'wrongdoing' in general...

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*** 4 mins left on these scenes ***

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any final thoughts or shall we move on?

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ready to move on



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ok...

scenes 17 - 26 (15 mins)

 

Scene 17 ( 09.36 - 10.00 )

Charlie brings a protesting Carol ("this is wrongful arrest")  to the front desk. Jack receives a phone call that someone has broken into the crime scene at the common.

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Scene 18 ( 10.01 - 10.58 )

Jack arrives at the crime scene, where Saul has been found and is now sitting in a distressed state in a police car. Jack asks where he has been and if he has taken his meds. In an emotional exchange, Jack tries to calm Saul down while he arrests him.

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JW: Just relax. calm down. Take some deep breaths. Look at my... Look into my eyes. Look into my eyes. Take some deep breaths. Take some deep breaths, OK? Hang on. Hang on. Saul, calm down. Calm down. Calm down. Calm down. Saul, calm down. I'm taking you to a place of safety. I'm taking you to a place of safety. I'm arresting you for the suspicion of murder.

 

SH: I want you to arrest me.

 

JW: You do not have to say anything, but may harm your defence...

 

SH: Did I kill someone? Did I kill someone?

 

JW: ..anything you do say may be used in evidence... Saul..

 

SH: Did I kill someone?

 

 

 

Scene 19 ( 10.59 -  11.55 )

Martha talks to Charlie on the rooftop about why Jack is so 'het up' about Saul and we also hear the full story about Jack's family background.

MB: Basically, Jack's brother was a paranoid schizophrenic. The whole nine yards. He used to hear voices, violent episodes, that sort of thing. Dad couldn't cope. He left Mum and a 19-year-old Jack to cope. And, Jack went out, he went AWOL, came back one night, and his brother had very seriously assaulted his mother. She was in a really, really bad way, as far as I know.

 

CS: Where's his brother now?

 

MB: He didn't make it. He topped himself, so...

 

 

Scene 20 ( 11.56 - 12.03 )

Dialogue free scene where Jack brings Saul to the front desk.

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Scene 21 ( 12.04 - 12.26 )

Charlie tells Martha that Carol Collins is stealing Dennis' benefits to buy drugs.

 

Scene 22 ( 12.27 - 13.50 )

Charlie and Martha interview Carol (solicitor present) who claims the crack pipe found in her kitchen is not hers. but her brother Michael's. The detectives point out his DNA isn't on it but her fingerprints are all over it and her DNA on the mouth piece, and Michael's post-mortem shows he is clean. Charlie suggests that Michael found out she was stealing her father's benefits to buy drugs and she argued with him about it and attacked him with a hammer. Carol becomes upset and says she could not hurt her brother.

 

Scene 23 ( 13.51 - 14.55 )

Still in the interview room with Carol,  Charlie plays her the voicemail of her threatening Michael. She defends herself saying she was stressed looking after her father giving him 24 hour care. Charlie responds that she was out all night, so she wasn't giving him 24 hour care.

 

Scene 24 ( 14.56 - 15.09 )

Charlie plays Jack and Martha footage of "serial liar" Carol in the common last night, where Michael was attacked. Martha asks, "could she have carried out both attacks?"

 

Scene 25 ( 15.10 - 15.58 )

Charlie interviews Carol again, showing her photos of Nate Turner and Jonathan Moxton. asking her if she knows who they are. She denies knowing either of them and denies the attacks.

 

Scene 26 (15.59 - 16.29 )

Charlie and Jack discuss the case in the staff room, Jack asks her if she wants a cup of tea. Charlie says she knows Carol lies all the time but cannot make a connection between her and the first attack. Jack says they need to establish if she attacked her brother first, then try to make a connection between her and Jonathan Moxton.

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Can't think of anything. Let's move on.

 



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Despite his feelings about Saul, Jack is.still trying to follow all the leads. He is looking for connections everywhere, particularly if it means he is vindicated

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SUCH a moving scene with Jack and Saul.... any dry eyes in the house at this point?

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Oh totally, domino! He was very compassionate with Saul at this moment....regardless of Saul's guilt or innocence it seems as though Saul's wellbeing is his main concern.

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He was gentle with Saul.  I'm not sure if it's because he knows the arrest will go easier that way, if he genuinely feels for Saul or he's relieved that things seem to be finally going his way.



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the scene with Saul was heartbreaking.  



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Saul is heartbreaking here. Jack seems to show genuine compassion.

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I'll be right back.  I have to take my dogs out. 



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With our context and understanding of his history, Jack's handling of Saul was a mirror of his own youth. He'd done the same for his brother.

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The way Jack tries to calm Saul down when arresting him.. there is a genuine gentleness there.... this is not Jack's aggressive style at all.... Saul being so distressed.. brilliant portrayal by Dominic Power, Jack knows exactly what to say to him...

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I thought that too TJ...

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You can love a person and still hate what that person does. You can see a paranoid schizophrenic who's off his meds and feel compassion, but still believe he's a killer.

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TJ we only find that out later on, at this point we do not know about Jack's brother just that he has family history of mental illness. But this scene gives a very visceral sense of how close the issue was to him.. and how familiar Saul's condition is to him?

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Jack definitely knew what he had to do to calm down Saul.

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totally TJ. and that is portrayed so well in Suspects.. it is not a one dimensional portrayal at all.

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drats need to go for a bit...



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I love how the tidbits of information build into a complex puzzle. There's so much to think about later. The revelations just keep coming.

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