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Topic: JACK CHAT | SUSPECTS SERIES 2 EPISODE 3 | SUNDAY 19 OCTOBER 2014

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 Join us Sunday 19 October for the Suspects Series 2 Episode 3 JACK CHAT!

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What? Chat with other fans about Suspects Series 2 Episode 3

When? Sunday 19 October 8.30pm (uk time)

Where? Right here in this forum topic

How? Just turn up and join in!

 

 



Things you can do before the Jack Chat:

 

~ Have a re watch of this episode on Demand 5 here

( international peeps, you can watch from outside the uk legally, using a VPN service like Tunnelbear or hola )

 

~ Check out the Episode synopsis and screencaps here

 

~ Chat out the Jack Chats for Suspects S2 Ep1 and Suspects S2 Ep2

 

 

 

 

Hope to see you there!

 

 



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Who is coming to the #JACKCHAT this Sunday?

What an episode! plenty of time for a re-watch...

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And me!

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Good stuff Jozie and Rosie! highfive

I am a third of the way through the scene breakdown, another awesome episode this one!

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Planning to be here. Last time I was sad to have been called away to deal with RL stuff. I hope this time to get thru the chat!



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JACK CHAT

Suspects Series 2 Episode 3 | Scene Breakdown

Scene 1 ( 0.00 - 01.04 )

The episode opens with a news report voiceover of an attack on a man at the West Willow Canal, while Jack Charlie and forensics are at the crime scene

News Report: Police are appealing for witnesses a man was found unconscious with life threatening head injuries the West Willow Canal in East London today. Police are treating the attack

as attempted murder.

Jack has identified the victim as Scott Freeman, a known paedophile hunter whose MO is to pose as a 14 year old girl online to lure in paedophiles arranges to meet them, then bashes them.

 

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CS: That's a high-risk strategy.

JW: Well, the guy's got it coming to him, you know

CS: Well that's hardly fair, you didn't see him. He's in a bad way.

JW:  If you take the law into your own hands, you take the risks. OK.

 

Scene 2 (1.05  -  2.06)

Charlie shows Jack and Martha a video of Scott Freeman confronting a man he set up and has found out he arranged (online) to meet another man at the tow path that morning, but the ip address is only traceable to an internet cafe.

 

Scene 3 ( 2.07 - 02.43 )

Charlie reports to Martha and Jack at the crime board, Scott is in a critical condition. He has a wife and two daughters, Jack knows one of the daughters who has been in on drug charges and assault before. Martha asks Jack to break the news to the family.

 

Scene 4 ( 02.44 - 03.33 )

Jack arrives at the Freeman house with a uniformed officer. Kelly answers to door and tells him Iris (her mother) died 2 weeks ago.

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Once inside Jack informs her about Scott, who, Kelly tells him, disappeared for 9 years and only returned when her Mum died.

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Scene 5 ( 03.34 - 04.46 )

Jack talks to Kelly at the hospital where she is visiting her father. He tells her Scott was attacked between 9 - 10 am but someone used his cash card at 9.45, so they are wondering if it could be Rose. Kelly tells him that Rose and Scott had argued and she had followed him when he left the house but that she could never attack him. Jack asks what drugs Rose is taking these days, Kelly responds that she is using meth.

 

Scene 6 ( 04.47 - 05.16 )

In Martha's office, Charlie reports to Martha and Jack that Scott's phone shows calls to the Shaffer Dance Studio. Martha's daughter Daisy goes there, she looks concerned but sends Jack and Charlie to investigate.

 

Scene 7 ( 05.17 - 06.48 )

On the way to the dance studio, Jack tells Charlie he did Irish dancing for three years, with a little skip up the step. Once inside they meet Tamsin and Edward Shaffer who run the dance studio. Edward tells them that Scott rang him that morning to ask him to go with him to film the confrontation with the paedophile, he didn't go because Tamsin would not let him, but he has gone once before. Charlie questions why he got involved at all and the right thing to do would be to come to the police.

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Scene 8 ( 06.49 -07.38) 

In the staffroom Jack is drinking a cuppa, when Martha walks in and asks how it went at Daisy's dance school. Jack tells her that Edward Shaffer was a "reluctant cameraman" in the past but not involved this morning. Charlie comes to tell them she has CCTV footage of Rose Freeman using Scott's cash card at 9.45 this morning. The footage shows her as extremely jittery and reveals her location.

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Scene 9 ( 07.39 - 08.29 )

Jack and Charlie go to pick up Rose, where she struggles and screams. Charlie arrests her on suspicion of GBH.

[shot of car returning to HQ]

 

Scene 10 ( 08.30 - 09.05 )

In the main office Jack tells Charlie and Martha he has been looking through Rose's mobile phone, where he found a text from Scott saying "I found the bastard".  On the way to the station, Rose had told Charlie and Jack that she had been raped and that it was the rapist who attacked her Dad, not her.

 

Scene 11 ( 09.06 - 09.41 )

Jack talks to Kelly in the hospital, and asks her about Rose's rape claim. Kelly tells him Rose has said it happened 8 or 9 years ago, when they went away somewhere.

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Scene 12 ( 09.42  - 10.02 )

In the main office Jack reports back to Martha and Charlie that the rape happened 9 years ago at a dance competition in Brighton, when Rose was just a child and both girls were under the care of Edward and Tamsin Shaffer.

 

Scene 13 ( 10.03 - 12.20 )

Martha interviews Rose (solicitor present), who tells her that her Dad was trying to find the man who raped her but she doesn't know who it is as she cannot remember, but in a  very distressed state, recounts the incident, where there were two men, one who injected her so she was unconscious. All she can remember is the man said "sweet dreams."

 

Scene 14 ( 12.21 - 12.46 )

Martha visits Tamsin in the dance studio, and asks her about Rose who has told Martha that she spoke to Tamsin about the rape incident at the time.

 

Scene 15 ( 12.47   - 13.19 )

Jack talks to Edward at the dance studio, telling him about Rose being raped all those years ago. Edward claims the first he heard about it was when Scott told him about "this vigilante thing" but he told him they should go straight to the police. He asks after Scott.

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Scene 16 ( 13.20 - 14.16 )

Martha asks Tamsin what she remembers about the incident. She said Rose was really distressed the next day and said she'd been touched, but that when she rang home to speak to her Mother, she told her Rose had been doing something about "stranger danger" at school so she put it down to that, and Kelly was in the room all night with Rose and said nothing had happened.

 

Scene 17 ( 14.17 -  15.15 )

Charlie talks to Kelly at the hospital, who tells her she snuck out the room that night to be with a guy from another dance team. Rose still does not know that she did.

 

Scene 18 ( 15.16 -  15.38 )

Jack and Martha still are at the dance school, Martha comments to Tamsin that she is surprised she didn't tell Jack and Charlie before about all this, she replies she didn't want to damage the rep of the school. Martha tells her that her daughter Daisy was absent from her dance class because she has a cold.

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Scene 19 ( 15.39  - 15.54 )

Once outside Martha asks Jack how it went with Edward, and Jack asks after Daisy.

JW: He's not the sort of person that I'd warm to, naturally.

MB: What do you mean?

JW: He's just a gob shite, isn't he? How's Daisy? I didn't know she was sick.

MB: No, is she hell..Any sign of a kiddy fiddler, do you know what I mean? Not on my doorstep, thank you very much.

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Scene 20 ( 15.55 - 16.29 )

In the main office Jack is at his computer, ("Who's broken the printer?") when Charlie walks in and tells him she has been checking the texts between Scott (posing as Cindy) and the man who he was arranging to meet, who signed off with "sweet dreams" which is what Rose reported her rapist said to her. The number belongs to a Dr Philip Cleaving.

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Scene 21 ( 16.30 - 17.15 )

Charlie shows Martha and Jack a photo from CCTV footage showing Dr Philip Cleaving texting on his phone at the same time as the internet chat Scott had, with the IP address traced to the internet cafe.

CS: I don't think it's looking good for him at all. He is messaging someone he believes to be a 14 year-old girl called Cindy, then arranges to meet her on a deserted towpath by a canal. So, in my mind, that sequence of events leads to Dr Cleaving turning up, meeting not Cindy, but a very angry Scott Freeman who calls him out as a paedophile and a rapist.

 

Scene 22 ( 17.16  - 17.44 )

Jack arrives outside Dr Cleaving's surgery to see him leaving, as he calls out to him Dr C breaks into a run and when Jack catches him up he seems scared, "Don't hit me!" but Jack says he is not going to hit him and asks him to come to the station for questioning.

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Scene 23 ( 17.45 - 20.35 )

Jack interviews Philip Cleaving, who admits he has been going online the past few months but claims he has not been chatting to children, but people that are 'role playing'. So when he arranged to meet Cindy, he was not expecting to see a child. He claims he did not attack Scott Freeman.

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Scene 24 ( 20.36  - 21.52 )

Jack returns to the dance studio and shows Edward and Tamsin a photo of Dr Cleaving, asking them if they know who he is. They admit to knowing him but Edward says he had not seen him for years and years and that he is not connected to the dance studio, or the dance comp 9 years ago.

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JW: Hello? Me again. Not for the last time, I'm sure. Mr Shaffer, could you join us for two seconds? Listen, I'm having awful trouble, identifying this man. Do you know who that is?

ES: Yeah, it's Phil.

TS: Dr Phil Cleaving.

JW: So you know this man?

ES: Yeah, I was at university with him, like, 20-odd years ago.

JW: So you were good friends.

ES: Well, then we were. I've not seen him for years and years.

JW: Nine years?

ES: I don't know, about 15 years, I think. A reunion or something. I can't remember. Years ago.

JW: But not nine years ago?

ES: No, why would?

JW: Right.

TS: Is this connected to Rose?

JW: Yes.

TS: Phil was never there, was he?

ES: No.

TS: He's not connected to our studio or academy. I don't think he'd have any reason to be there.

ES: He has no interest. Why would be there?

JW: There are no right or wrong answers. It's not an exam.

TS: Sorry, you just caught us in the middle of something. We just...

JW: I'm in the middle of something too. Listen, I'm going to need a list of people who attended that dance competition.

TS: We haven't got a problem with that. It'll be on an old computer.

ES: What's he supposed to have done, anyway?

JW: He's helping us with our enquiries. Thanks very much.

 

Scene 25 ( 21.53  - 22.25 )

Charlie shows Rose a picture of Dr Cleaving and she confirms "this was the man who attacked you".

 

Scene 26 ( 22.26 -  22.53 )

Jack and Charlie discuss the case in the office. Jack points out that if Dr Cleaving raped Rose then the Shaffers gave him access, "end of story". Martha comes to inform them that Scott has passed away and asks Charlie to break the news to Rose. Jack informs the office team "We have a murder enquiry now."

 

Scene 27 ( 22.54  - 24.29 )

Charlie is with Kelly and Rose at the hospital when Jack arrives. He sympathises at first then asks Kelly "what's the story with the Shaffers?" Charlie tries to interrupt him, but when he continues to question them, calls him out of the room "are you out of your fucking mind?" before apologising to the girls and driving them home.

 

Scene 28 ( 24.30 -  26.12 )

At their house, a very emotional Rose shows Charlie an earring, the pair were a good luck gift from her mum for the competition, but one of them had gone the next morning after her attack.

 

Scene 29 ( 26.13 - 26.56 )

Martha informs Jack that UV photos of Scott's injury show the murder weapon was a chain with a padlock attached. Charlie returns and fills them in on the earring, and suggest that maybe the attacker took the other one as a trophy. Meanwhile Jack receives a call about a disturbance at the dance academy.

 

Scene 30 ( 26.57 -  27.31 )

Jack and Charlie arrive at the dance studio, where 'paedo' has been sprayed on the side of the Shaffers' van and Kelly is being restrained by a police officer while shouting at Tamsin. When Edward spots Jack and Charlie, he pushes Jack and begins shouting at them about the graffiti on his van, telling him he is making a formal complaint against him. Jack is angry.

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ES: I'm going inside and I'm filing a complaint against you, yeah..

JW: Please do.

ES: ..an official complaint.

CS: Hold your temper Mr Shaffer

JW: Weston, W-E-S-T-O-N yeah? Fucker.

CS: Jeee-zus!

JW: Nice to see what he's capable of. Did you see him fucking grab me?

CS: Yeah

 

Scene 31 ( 27.32 - 28.23 )

Back in the office, Martha tells Jack and Charlie she has tracked down the boyfriend, Alistair Green, who Kelly says she went out with the night of Rose's attack. He confirmed they returned at 3 o'clock in the morning and he saw 2 men talking to each other in the car park, one he has identified as Edward Shaffer, the other he didn't recognise but he was driving a bright red Porsche boxter, which Martha has discovered, Dr Cleaving was driving 9 years ago. Jack points out Edward had said Dr C was not there that night, they now know he was lying so now they can arrest him.

 

Scene 32 ( 28.24 - 28.51 )

Martha interviews Dr Cleaving who is vague about owning a bright red Porsche boxter 9 years ago.

 

Scene 33 ( 28.52 - 29.19 )

Jack arrests Edward Shaffer outside the dance studio for aiding and abetting a rape, being sure to loudly tell his wife Tamsin, who watches, what he is being arrested for.

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Scene 34 ( 29.20 - 31.08 )

Jack interviews Edward Shaffer (solicitor present) who is vague about being in a car park in Brighton at 3 am in the morning the night of Rose's attack, and goes on the offensive about making a complaint against Jack and why Kelly was spray painting paedo on his van.

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ES: You clearly told her that you thought I might have been a suspect. How else would she know? I mean, that's against the law, isn't it

JW: hmm no not really

ES: against the rules

JW: Listen shut up ok I'm the one asking the questions. Talk to me about Rose Freeman. Was she a good dancer?

ES: I don't think I want to say anything else to you really

JW: How old was she? Eight?

ES: [to solicitor] that's alright isn't it?

JW: Under your guardianship. Mm. Under your care.

ES: [to solicitor] Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

Scene 35 ( 31.09 - 31.40 )

In the main office Charlie tells Martha and Jack that the search team found Rose's earring and other 'trophies' belonging to little girls in his trinket box, so he is a prolific sex offender.

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Jack asks for them to be tested for Edward's DNA at the same time they are tested for Phil's. He returns to his desk looking pensive.

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Scene 36 ( 31.41 - 34.21 )

Martha interviews Phil Cleaving, who remains silent as she presents him with the earring and trophies evidence, but then confesses it was all him and no one else was involved and he was also not involved with Scott's attack.

MB: There's not many things that turn my stomach Doctor, but there's a bloody awful smell in this room and it smells of you.

 

Scene 37 ( 34.22 - 34.44 )

Charlie reports to Martha and Jack that ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras) picked up the Shaffer van in the vicinity of the towpath at the time of the attack this morning.

 

Scene 38 ( 34.45  - 35.30 )

Martha and Jack interview Edward who says he has no idea why his van was in the vicinity of the towpath this morning, as he was doing accounts at the dance academy.

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Scene 39 ( 35.31 - 37.01 )

Jack shows Edward the video of Scott confronting another man, Edward admits that was him who went with Scott on that occasion and took the video. Jack gives him a hypothetical scenario where Edward did go to the towpath to make another video for Scott, but panicked when he saw Phil Cleaving there, and Cleaving asked him for his help when Scott attacked him, so he picked up the chain and "beat his brains out".

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Scene 40 ( 37.02 - 37.38 )

Still in the interview room, Edward says he is not going to say anything else with Jack present as they are in the process of making a complaint about him. Martha stiffly replies she is happy for her colleague to withdraw and Jack leaves.

 

Scene 41 ( 37.39 - 39.00 )

Martha comes off a phone call in her office and tells Jack that due to lack of hard evidence and the fact that Edward is about to make an official complaint, she has now got to bail him.

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Jack is angry and leaves the room.

JW: Why do I even fucking bother doing this fucking  bullshit job!

but  returns when Charlie has some info for them that a chain with a padlock has been pulled up from the canal.

JW: The weapon

CS: Well, it's a chain with a padlock attached to it only, unfortunately, because it's been sat in the water for however many hours, so there's no DNA.

JW: Fucking fantastic.

CS: What there are, though, are some grey, cotton fibres trapped in the links of the chain, so -

JW: The Shaffers have got grey towels.

CS: I have grey towels.

MB: No, he's right, they do. They use grey towels so the kids can have them. Look, I tell you what, get down to the towpath, extend the search area, Take a dip while you're there. Be careful. Don't drown yourself.

JW: Thanks, boss.

 

Scene 42 ( 39.01 - 39.40 )

Charlie catches up with Jack on the stairwell.

CS: Edwards's complaint is -

JW: I don't give a fuck about the complaint!

A.) The guy has been covering up the rape of an eight-year-old.

B.) The guy killed Scott Freeman.

C.) He is linked with a known paedophile, Dr Philip Cleaving.

D.) We're about to release him so he can work with kids.

CS: You are not the only one who is pissed off about this. I've been in the Freeman house with all the tears and all the sobbing and all the heartbreak that comes with it.

JW: I'm not letting him get away with this. I'm going to search the crime scene. I'll find something to link it to Scott Freeman.

CS: Call me, Sarge, if you need me.

 

Scene 43 ( 39.41- 40.03 )

Jack and uniformed officers search the crime scene. Jack begins looking through some rubbish in bin liners.

 

Scene 44 ( 40.04  - 40.21 )

Martha and Charlie sign out Edward at the front desk, whose parting words are "you will of course be hearing from my solicitors." Charlie asks Martha if his complaint will have legs, Martha responds that she hopes not, but that Jack is his own worst enemy and she's "slightly sick of babysitting."Charlie replies, "you and me both."

 

Scene 45 (  40.22 - 41.12 )

Back at the crime scene Jack finds a grey towel which he bags and after a brief moment of contemplation and hesitation, hides behind his back and tells the officers he is heading back to the station.

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Scene 46 ( 41.13  - 42.10 )

Jack drives in his car and arrives at the Shaffers. He sits and hesitates, but then hides the bagged towel inside his coat before heading to the bins, opening his jacket, lifting the bin lid, but is interrupted by Edward Shaffer who appears and asks him to leave him alone. Jack claims he is there to apologise.

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Scene 47 ( 42.11 - 42.48 )

Meanwhile back at HQ, Charlie reports to Martha that the search team at the dance studio found Edwards digital camera, the SD card shows Edward was at the crime scene and that he attacked Scott. Martha sends Charlie to go and arrest Edward.

 

Scene 48 ( 42.49  -  43.11 )

Charlie drives to the Shaffers' house, on the way she receives a radio call of a fatality at the Shaffer's address.

 

Scene 49 ( 43.12 -  end )

When Charlie arrives, she finds Jack over Edwards dead body, blood on his hands.

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CS: Jack? What the fuck happened? What the fuck are you doing here? Control from DC Steele, how we doing with the ambulance?

JW: He's dead.

CS: Control from DC Steele, how we doing with the ambulance?

JW: He's fucking dead.

CS: What happened? Jack?

 

 

 

 

 

 



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The more I watch this ep the more I see in it, and the emotional rollercoaster gets even more intense.

Is everyone ready for tomorrow? jackisback

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It gets better with every watch Rosie, glad you will be at the chat with us tonight!

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So....Who's coming ?

 

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1 HOUR UNTIL THE JACK CHAT!!
just enough time for final re-watch and make yourself a cuppa..

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Here is the proposed schedule for tonight's Jack Chat, based on the scene breakdown above.

Scenes 1 - 6 (15 mins)

Scenes 7 - 12 (15 mins)

Scenes 13 - 19 (15 mins)

Scenes 20 - 26 (15 mins)

Scenes 27 - 32 (15 mins)

Scenes 33 - 40 (15 mins)

Scenes 41 - 49 (20 mins)




 

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See you soon then Jane... the chat begins in just over ten mins!

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Hi everyone!

 

Ahead of tonight's Jack Chat which will be open in 10 mins, please read the helpful hints and chat guidelines below.





chat guidelines

1.Log ins are available for this chat, but anon posting is also open. Log in if you would like to use a username, but if not, just join in anonymously

2. the discussion will be scene by scene with screencaps, and is timed (see schedule above). Experience has shown this is the best way to cover an entire episode and not let the chat become chaotic. (there has to be a system, Hal says so. )

3. refresh your page regularly to keep up with the chat and to see new comments!

4. please stick to the scene we are discussing, that way we will have time to discuss the whole episode and the whole group can follow and join in without it becoming chaotic or going off on tangents

5. please keep comments a reasonable length so the chat flows and is easy to follow

6. please try to join in or leave off without disrupting the chat if you join the chat late or leave early

7. Suspects does contain strong language! so there will be some in this chat

8. Suspects contains difficult subject matter, if we don't address certain aspects, it is not because we are being flippant, it is because some topics can be difficult to talk about and we want to be sensitive to / respect that

9. This chat topic will remain on the forum for anyone to read, or to add to, in the future.

10. If you need assistance during the chat please send a private message to admin (Damien Molony Forum) so as not to disrupt the chat.



All help with keeping this chat on track is greatly appreciated, so that everyone can follow and take part.

Thanks!



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Hello!

who is here for the Jack Chat tonight?

come and say hi! that means you too, lurkers!

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Hello I'm here! :)

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Hi. I'm here.  I'm not sure how much good I'll be.  I'm dead tired.  Working on a pot of coffee so maybe that will help. 



-- Edited by Random Jane on Sunday 19th of October 2014 08:35:17 PM

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oh good, thought I was going to have to chat with myself this time!
Hi Rosie, Whimsy, Jozie and jane!

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A lilt in his voice.  Every sentence like music...
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A terrible beauty is born.
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"Trust me…you don’t want to see a world where I’m leading the vampires." - Hal (Being Human - S5Ep1)

 

 
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